SUBJECT/S: Turnbull Liberal Government’s secret plans to take over vocational education. Click here to watch Sharon’s doorstop BIRD: Overnight we have seen reports in the Fairfax media that this federal government has a secret plan to take over the Vocational Education and Training Sector. Given their track record over the last two years with training and skills this can only be a really disastrous outcome. What we have seen, firstly, is over $2 billion cut from the skills portfolio, over $1 billion of that out of apprenticeships support. We have seen the results which has been a huge decrease in the number of apprentices commencing training. Added to that we have seen the federal government act too slowly, make the wrong calls and fail to understand the importance of the rip off and rorts and shonky behaviours. The aggressive marketing that is occurring, pulling students into very expensive $20,000 and $30,000 training courses of dubious quality often not even finishing their training because they shouldn’t have been in the course in the first place and as a result of that we have seen a disaster in the VET sector under this government. Yesterday, the New South Wales conservative Minister for Skills slammed his federal colleagues for their incompetence in this portfolio. I cannot see, on any day, how them taking over the whole system would be anything other than a disaster. Secondly I want to make the point that there has been a concerted attack by conservative government’s on our public TAFE system. I’ve travelled all around the country and we have seen the devastation that has been done to TAFE, which is not only an important part of the education landscape for people across the country but is also a public provider and that means that it has the task of making sure people in rural and regional Australia get access to training. It’s got the responsibility of ensure that people with a disability have access, our Indigenous Australians get training and skills. This government has no value for public provision and no value for the importance of making sure that everybody has equal and fair and reasonable access to training and yet they want to talk about innovation and jobs, well what a joke. Have they forgotten that the vast majority of the population accesses our vocational training system to get exactly those sorts of qualifications. Their hands on the wheel of that entire system will be a disaster. ENDS
SUBJECT/S: Gonski JOURNALIST: As you have been hearing in our news bulletins the Federal Opposition has promised to put $4.5 billion towards funding the Gonski School Education Agreement for the 2018-19 school years. Of course the Coalition has said that they will not fund those final two years. Instead it is trying to broker a new deal with the States and Territories, with me now on the line is Member for Cunningham, also Opposition spokesperson for Vocational Education and Training, Sharon Bird, good morning BIRD: Good morning JOURNALIST: Look the decision of Labor to promise this $4.5 billion to fully fund the Gonski school reforms, the big question being asked this morning is how does Labor plan to pay for it? BIRD: It’s quite clear that we made a lot of really hard decisions last year that in the end we have to make the savings or increase the revenue to deliver on what we think should be the priorities for the country and that’s fair enough. People I am sure will remember last year that we talked about our multi-national tax reforms indicating that we feel many multi-nationals are paying no tax in Australia and they should actually be paying tax here. We also announced some reforms around high level earners on superannuation, for example, also the cigarettes tax increase. So we did announce a number of things last year that would come to around $70 billion over the next 10 years because we do want to be able to fund and announce priorities that are really important to communities like ours and education is absolutely clearly one of those. JOURNALIST: I guess the criticism that gets levelled at Labor by the Government is you might be diverting funds from one place to another or trying to raise money through various exercises but it doesn’t do much in terms of budget repair in the long term? BIRD: You have got to be able to do a number of things in government but I do think if you are not investing in education then it’s a false economy because we know the jobs of the future, and parents can see this already if you have kids that have left school, that you have to have high level qualifications to get the sorts of jobs that will be there in the future. I know that might be a TAFE qualification, it might be a University degree and if we need our kids to be able to succeed in life they have to have a really solid foundation at school. Education is actually an investment, it’s not just an expenditure, and if we don’t do it we are looking at slowing growth in this country, not having the innovation certainly that the Prime Minister wants to talk about. The issue that has proven as right is when you get the investment in education right and give people those opportunities you actually find it pays off for the nation and so we do prioritise it. We don’t make any apology for that. JOURNALIST: So are you looking at refunding the Gonski reforms that were always destined to run until 2018 and the Government says what it’s trying to do is map out some sort of deal with the States that would take us from 2018 and beyond into the future, what happens after 2018? BIRD: The entire package that Bill and Kate Ellis announced yesterday is $37.3 billion now. $30 billion of that is for reversing the cuts that Tony Abbott made to education, that Malcom Turnbull continued, and those cuts significantly changed the way schools were getting money across the country. In our own area in the Illawarra, which covers my seat and Stephen Jones’, it was about $391 million taken out of local schools over that ten years, so we have not just announced the years five and six for Gonski, which is about $4.5 billion. We’ve also announced a reversal of the cuts that the Government did make over the ten year forward as $30 billion for schools and at the local level that is a really significant injection back into our local schools. It is important to get Gonski right and the Government seems to forget that that was actually a long drawn out process of really intensive policy work to get the Gonski outcome and, I’m a former teacher, for the first time in my life I have seen an education debate that wasn’t divisive between school sectors and everybody was on board and said “yes, this is great, this is the way to go”. So all the work has been done the problem is that they don’t want to bite the bullet and put the money into it. JOURNALIST: So are you saying that you are convinced that any less than Gonski would not lead to better outcomes? The Coalition is saying that they believe that there is some deal that can be brokered that is fiscally responsible and will improve educational outcomes for kids? BIRD: I guess I don’t understand why they would go through that process when we have had somebody as well regarded as the Gonski panel who have spent years doing all that work and then you have extensive negotiations with the states, although there were two states that didn’t come on board, but all of the other states signed up and indeed his own Liberal colleagues in New South Wales continued with the Gonski model and Gonski funding. I just think it’s a sneaky was of saying we don’t really want to put the extra money in and you are going to find some other mechanism and some other way. I don’t believe that, I think that we have had all the research, we have had all the work, we have had all the negotiations and it is quite clear in the time that has gone on, now we are going backwards. I talk to my local schools, I have been to many of them that have raised literacy programs or HSC support programs with that money and they are just saying to me that it is making a huge difference. So when it stops the next kids coming through won’t get access to it and it does make a big difference. We just have to bite the bullet and do it - the work has all been done. JOURNALIST: Well not all the work has been done as there are a couple of the areas, where Labor says it’s going to try to save money, will certainly be a battle for Labor. Even if some of them have popular support you will be up against some powerful lobby groups cracking down on multi-national tax avoidance, $14 billion. I’m sure Labor doesn’t expect that to be easy, reducing super tax concessions as well, again something that many members of the public won’t agree with but again something that will be difficult to get through. You will be facing at least a public relations battle to get those through, what happens if you don’t find those savings if that proves to be too difficult? BIRD: I mean that is the challenge for government at any point in time. I would say the biggest challenge is that we have to win an election first and you know that is why we think these things need to be debated and on the table. It does frustrate me enormously that at the last election, at that time, the Abbott opposition went out and told people that would get exactly the same from them, on the Gonski funding, as they were getting from Labor, and I think that that was a great betrayal of a promise that was made before an election. We have laid out a plan, we’ve shown in government before that we are able to get the funding mechanisms in place, despite the Liberal claims, we did it with the NDIS and I am confident that we can do it here because, to be honest, we have to. People in the community know if we don’t get education right then we are all going to pay a cost in terms of jobs and growth and our economy and so you have to actually make sure that, not only our school education. We have an announced policy to provide guaranteed funding for TAFE and an announced policy for student funding guarantee for Universities so we don’t face $100,000 degrees. It is hard in Government, there are no two ways about that, but I just think that it is too important to everyone’s future for us not to pursue it. JOURNALIST: Alright Sharon Bird, thanks very much for your time this morning. BIRD: Thank you so much. ENDS
Higher Education Support Amendment (VET FEE-HELP Reform) Bill 2015 - Consideration of Senate Message
Click here to watch Sharon’s speech Ms BIRD (Cunningham) (17:09): It is the case that the opposition will be supporting the bill before us. I want to put on the record that we had some frustration about the fact that this original bill was significantly amended at the last moment. The minister did give me a briefing, but it was sadly only 15 minutes before the shadow minister in the other place had to speak on the bill. I am sure that the minister will understand if we retain the right to continue to vigorously raise any issues that arise out of the changes that the government is putting in place. It is the case that I remain disappointed that the government did not accept our amendment to put price caps on courses. One of the great problems within the VET FEE-HELP sector has been the quite unacceptable level of price increases that have occurred for training courses. Given that that will continue for another 12 months, pending a redesign of the VET FEE-HELP system, I do think it would have been good for the government to accept that particular amendment. However, I acknowledge the government did accept other amendments from the opposition. We look forward to working together to progress those—in particular, to establish an ombudsman for the sector. A voice for students must put in place; there must be a place where they can go to raise their concerns and have them mediated. The regulator, ASQA, does the job of enforcing standards and auditing the particular providers that are approved. But it does not fulfil an individual role for students. That is very frustrating for many students who report to ASQA. Their expectation is that that will be resolved for them individually. But it is not the case; it is actually just intelligence for the regulator. I think it is really important recommendation. It has come from a variety of stakeholders calling for an ombudsman to be put into place. I do acknowledge that, in the other place, the government accepted that amendment. We look forward to working together to progress that. Hopefully, over the next 12 months all of these measures will work to drive the shonks and spivs out of the sector. The way they have been exploiting young people has been appalling. We have seen report after report of young people signing up to courses that, firstly, they really did not have the capacity to undertake. Therefore, we have seen very disappointing completion rates. Secondly, they are quite often unaware of the size of the debt that they have been left with. That, of course, creates real issues for them in their longer term studies. Thirdly, as a result of being poorly recruited, very often by brokers who have no educational experience, many of them are unable to complete their courses. So quite often they have ended up with a debt and without a qualification—which is, potentially, the worst outcome. We should also acknowledge that, for some people who have finished courses, the courses have been of such poor quality that the industry has blacklists of providers. Child care is one outstanding example where some employers have gone public. A young person has a qualification and is applying for jobs in good faith, unaware that they are not succeeding because the qualification is poorly regarded in the industry. So it is absolutely critical that we take stern action to make sure that this is weeded out. It is not just young people who are being affected, as the minister, I know, is aware. Providers have been trawling aged-care sector and signing people up, saying, 'Because you're on the pension, you will never have to pay the debt back.' A program that should be there to support people who want a vocational qualification at the diploma level, in the same way that we support university students, ends up being trashed by that sort of behaviour. It is being trashed to the point where not only the funding stream is being discredited but also the whole sector, potentially, is being discredited. So we are a bit frustrated. We are glad to see that, in a moment of panic, the government did some last-minute reform to its own legislation. We will support that. We do appreciate that the government has adopted some of the amendments that we put forward. I think it will pay for all of us to remain very alert and agile—to borrow the government's terminology—to make sure that this behaviour is absolutely stopped in the interim 12 months and that we can work together to establish a better scheme for the longer term.
SUBJECT/S: Vocational Education and Training, VET FEE-HELP, Maldon-Dombarton Rail Link JOURNALIST: We’ve been hearing the stories about private vocational education providers and some of the more shonky ones who have been employing practices such as offering free lap tops to people to entice them to sign up to courses that they actually have no intention of doing and getting VET FEE-HELP student loans from the government to pay for them. Apparently it is costing the government billions of dollars and in this week, the last Parliamentary sitting week of the year, the government has moved about thirteen pages of amendments to its own legislation to do what the Training Minister, Luke Hartsuyker says, was turn off the tap of taxpayer funding. Joining me now is Sharon Bird, of course the Member for Cunningham, but also the opposition spokesperson for Vocational Education, good morning to you… BIRD: Good morning. JOURNALIST: Now look it seems these stories of, pretty much, shonks in the system are becoming more prolific recently, how do we rein this system in and surely this is a sign that the government has decided actually we do need to do something because the system is being rorted? BIRD: This has been a big issue that I’ve been pursuing the government about for at least eighteen months now. Labor has been calling for the regulators to take serious action that includes the national vocational regulator, ASQA, it includes the Department and it includes people like the ACCC. So it’s been welcomed in recent months. In particular for example, the ACCC is taking legal action against a number of these sorts of providers and we will see what the outcome of that is. More importantly we have been saying to the government everything they have done is tinkering around the edges. When you are dealing with sharks who are running a shonky outfit you need to come down like a ton of bricks on them. They are ruining younger people’s hopes of getting a job by selling them dodgy qualifications. They’re exploiting mature and elderly people in the community telling them you can have a free lap top but not fully disclosing that they will end up with sometimes a $25,000 debt. All of this sort of stuff requires much more urgent, much stronger action and so it was no surprise that the government’s latest Bill, which again we argued was not strong enough, finally they accepted that argument and, literally as the Shadow Minister in the Senate was on his feet, they introduced thirteen amendments to try and toughen it up. I have to say Labor still doesn’t think they go far enough. We did put up a proposal that there must be an Ombudsman which the government has now accepted but we also wanted them to put price controls in place and they wouldn’t do that, I think that is a big mistake. JOURNALIST: What can you do when people themselves don’t seem to be concerned about signing up to these courses and they are saying “Yeah sure I will accept this free lap top” and enrol in a course that they envisage will never have to pay back as they will never earn enough to pay it back, or being unaware of their responsibilities or their obligations. How do you stop that behaviour? BIRD: There has been a variety of situations occur under this so basically the training organisations are hiring these people called brokers who are out there treating it purely, if you like, as a door to door sales opportunity, pushing people in high pressure sales tactics to make on the spot decision about things that they really need a lot more advice on. They use that mechanism to sign up thousands and thousands of people, some of those people sort of go “oh well I am getting a free lap top and it won’t matter whether I do the training or not”, but pretty quickly when they discover it’s not a free lap top it’s actually leaving them with a debt that can be in the tens of thousands of dollars they get pretty cranky about it. Other people I have spoken to thought they had just signed up to a training course and they didn’t even know they had signed forms to apply for a loan and if you are on a pension, for example, and you don’t interact with the tax office you might not find out for years that you have this debt. It is a really serious issue for people out there and those sort of high pressure sales tactics should not be the way people get into training courses it should be based on sound advice and a professional assessment of their skill level and what courses are the most appropriate for them and with their best interest at heart not the profit margin of some company. JOURNALIST: One particular private education provider has taken the step of taking out a full page ad in the Sydney Morning Herald today to say a fair go for quality VET providers. You would have to concede that there are some people who are out there doing the right thing, providing quality education, via their own private company, to people. Has the government now gone too far so that some of these people who are actually high quality training providers are being impacted by this and will eventually kill off these programs as well. BIRD: I have always made the point, in fact I spoke at a conference of the peak body of the private training providers, and there are many providers out there in the private sector who have been working, often for decades, doing really good work, usually in their specific expertise area that they train in, and they have been telling me that they want the shonks shut down as well. They don’t just attack our great TAFE institutions and undermine their viability, they also attack the viability of the genuine, ethical private sector providers as well. I think the problem that many have is that the government’s very eleventh hour, knee-jerk panicked reaction, with the introduction of these amendments at the very last minute when the Bill was before the House yesterday, has caused that sort of concern that you see in the example you’ve talked about. Our problem was and we made the point to the government, while we would support their amendments, because we literally have had no time to look at them and we didn’t want to stand in the way of taking action against shonky providers, but putting the cap on in the way that they did basically sort of means that if you have ripped off a hundred million this year you can go off and rip off a hundred million next year. They have just put a cap on how much existing providers can sign up for VET FEE-HELP next year and that is why we thought it was insufficient and we put forward the other amendments, such as capping how much they can charge in the first place to make it unviable to rip students off and have them pay thousands of dollars that go to brokers who are just walking around doing a sales job. Continue reading
Click here to watch Sharon’s speech Ms BIRD (Cunningham) (13:36): As we go into the Christmas season, it is going to be quite a tough time for hundreds of people in the Illawarra because of the loss of a significant number of jobs at BlueScope Steel. The reason I want to talk to the House today is that Minister Macfarlane, the minister at the time, came to our region and held a round table, at which many leaders across industry, community and the unions came together to put proposals before the minister about ways in which this government could support our region. Then he was no longer the minister, and a new minister, Minister Pyne, came in. He called us up to Sydney for a round table so we could all sit around and put proposals forward again. We have seen nothing from this government in terms of a program of support for our region, despite the fact that they raised expectations by saying that they had some huge proposal that they were going to announce that would transform our region. Then, on Monday, the minister stood at that dispatch box and not only boasted about an innovation fund rolling out in Geelong, when he has done nothing for the Illawarra, but then quite extraordinarily said that the Port Kembla plant was in the seat of Gilmore! So it should be no surprise that today the Illawarra Mercury has run this front page, asking: Where's Pyney? Does he even know where the Illawarra is? It is about time this government stepped in and gave the support that it promised.
SUBJECT/S: Higher Education Support Amendment (VET FEE-HELP) Bill 2015 SENATOR KIM CARR, SHADOW MINISTER FOR HIGHER EDUCATION, RESEARCH, INNOVATION AND INDUSTRY:The Senate has commenced debate on the VET FEE-HELP Bill and at one minute to midnight this government has proposed a series of amendments to their own legislation reflecting the deep crisis within the vocational education and training system and the final recognition by this government that there is a desperate need for action by government. Yet this Minister has chosen to treat the Senate with complete contempt by circulating amendments to a Bill which has been under discussion for a great deal of time in terms of the principals and in terms of the Bill itself which was referred to a Senate Committee and none of these matters were raised with the Senate Committee. It would appear to me then that it hasn’t been raised with too many Senators either. So, just as I was to stand up to speak to the second reading debate, my colleague, Sharon Bird, had been contacted with advice from the Minister that they now have a series of amendments. Amendments which, according to the Parliamentary Legislation Office, appears to have been prepared on Saturday - so they have kept these secret for three days and chose to bring them forward as the Bill is being debated in the Chamber. Now this does not all go well for proper discussion about the actions that the government is taking and highlights why it is necessary to accept the Labor amendments which actually turn off the tap to the rorters, the shonks and the sharks that are operating within this industry and have taken such abuse of so many vulnerable people and cost the Commonwealth billions of dollars in the process. SHADOW MINISTER FOR VOCATIONAL EDUCATION, SHARON BIRD MP: Thanks Kim, it’s a really important debate that is occurring in the Senate today. It’s important because we have seen consistently over the last two years ongoing reports of the most vulnerable in our community being ripped off by really shonky behaviour in the vocational sector. Now these amendments, as Kim said, that have been brought forward at the very last minute, making it very difficult to have a good detailed look at what’s proposed, do not address a significant number of the issues that Labor has put forward in our amendments. There is not a commitment to an Ombudsman for the system, a proposal that has been endorsed across the stakeholders, including by the private education sector. It does not address the enormous amounts of money that are being charged for these courses, so that the size of the debt that students are being left with is so much more significant than it needs to be - diplomas where they are ending up with a debt over $20,000 for a single diploma and, realistically for many of those people not even ending up with the diploma because they don’t complete because they should have never been enrolled in the first place. There are so many significant, critical issues that need to be addressed and it is very disappointing that we have to deal with these amendments at the very last moment when we have been saying to the Government, for all of that time, you need to take far more vigorous and far more serious action to stop these shonks because they are destroying the reputation of one of the most critical education sectors in this country. JOURNALIST: So are these measures a step in the right direction though? CARR: Of course they are a step in the right direction, this Bill is a step in the right direction, but this is a government that has been dragged to take this position. This is a government that made announcements in March about the way in which these courses are being marketed, that marketing and rip-offs continue right up until today. This is a government that has made a number of statements about their good intentions but the rip-offs continue. This is a government that relies upon the capacities of the regulators and the Department when clearly that has been found wanting. Now the reality is the Government talks big but acts in a very small way and what we need to do is actually turn off the tap. Turn off the tap of the billions of dollars that are flowing to these shonks, these shysters. The Government has failed to do that. Failed to deal with the question of the brokers, failed to deal with fundamental questions, as Sharon has indicated, in terms of providing a proper complaints mechanism for students. Failed to deal with the really big questions about why the system is in place and why it is that this government has allowed these rip offs to continue for so long. JOURNALIST: You say you want to turn off the tap, one of the measures being put forward is that no new funding will be given to private colleges so that I presume is not enough….. CARR: Nowhere near enough, you’ve got to limit the life-time debts that people can incur. $97,000 per person. What we are seeing is these rip-off merchants signing people up to double diplomas, $40,000 worth of diploma. Now a medical degree doesn’t cost you that much in this country yet we have got advanced diplomas in golf and all sorts of really shonky arrangements being presented as genuine training when they are not. They are clearly a scheme to transfer billions of dollars from the public purse to private companies and that is the real issue here. This is a government that is obsessed with privatisation, deregulation and a belief that somehow or another education can be best done by people who are registered on the stock exchange. Well that is simply not the way in which to run our educational institutions in this country. Continue reading
Click here to watch Sharon’s speech Ms BIRD (Cunningham) (16:00): Every day across this nation, thousands of truck drivers go to work on the roads that run through our communities—roads that they share with our families, our community and people either working or taking time to do social activities using our roads. The reality for too many of those drivers for too long has been the unconscionable pressure that is put upon them to do hours that are beyond what is reasonable. For 20 years the Transport Workers Union, in partnership with its members and communities across our nation, has campaigned under the Safe Rates Campaign to call on governments to take responsibility for ensuring that we maximise the safety of our roads in our communities. As a result of that campaign, in 2012 the Road Safety Remuneration Tribunal was established and it is doing exactly that job. A month ago, the International Labour Organization recognised drivers' rights to safe and fair remuneration and their right to form and join a trade union and to strike. In South Korea, transport workers have mobilised against antiworker legislation in that country as they fight for decent, safe working conditions in the transport supply chain. I share the views expressed by the International Trade Union Confederation and the International Transport Workers' Federation in condemning actions taken against these workers as they simply fight for fair and safe working conditions.
Click here to watch Sharon’s speech Ms BIRD (Cunningham) (16:50): This afternoon I want to take the House back 40 years. It does not take much maths to work out that I am talking about 1975. It was International Women's Year and there were events occurring across the globe and of course across the country. In my own area of the Illawarra there was a forum for International Women's Year to which my mum, Bev Reed, went along with her friend Anne Harrison. They participated in that forum and came back to a meeting of the Mount Warrigal Public School mothers group. Anne put forward a proposal that the group work to establish a women's refuge in the area. This was taken up by the women in the mothers group and they began the process. They applied to Shellharbour City Council and, under the leadership of Mayor Bob Harrison, the council provided a house as a refuge. It was not in great repair, so they had to run cake stalls, jumble sales and so forth to fundraise. Many of their partners, including my dad Kevin, did the maintenance work on the house, including putting in the sewerage system. They all pitched in to get it into a reasonable condition. A local company, Camarda & Cantrill, donated paint. A group of nuns from Warrawong volunteered to do the night shifts. The Seamen's Union pitched in for repairs and to put down second-hand carpet, the wharfies union had a fundraising amongst their members and raised money to assist, and the Department of Youth and Community Services, as it was then, provided support and were the referral source—referring women to the refuge. This refuge, sadly really, continues to operate today, although it is now in a new purpose-built facility. This brings me to a subject that many of my colleagues in this place have been addressing this week, and that is the significant importance for us as a community, for us as leaders, for families and for anybody out there who feels and understands the scourge that is family violence to take action. In my own area yesterday there was a White Ribbon walk, attended by about 500 people—a fantastic turnout. New South Wales policewoman Shelly Walsh addressed the crowd. She had survived an axe attack by her father after he murdered her mother and two children. She urged people to speak up. The group was also addressed by Lake Illawarra Police Commander Superintendent Wayne Starling, who said: White Ribbon Day is the world's largest movement of men and boys working to end men's violence against women and girls. It is also about creating a vision of masculinity where women can live in safety, free of violence and abuse. It is also an opportunity for women to be empowered and speak out against violence. Not only the physical abuse but the emotional abuse. The walk was organised by the Illawarra Committee against Domestic Violence, and I commend Maris Depers, who organised it, and all of the members who participated. The walk was also attended by a marvellous young woman who is a member of our Young Labor organisation locally, Alex Costello. Alex spoke to a Labor Party meeting on Sunday about these matters, and I want to share some of her words with the House Today I'll just be doing a quick talk on white ribbon, how I came to be a part of this cause and what this organization does. I am of the belief that to make real change people need to hear personal stories to hear the real effects of dv. I was abused for the majority of my life. I took a count recently and I have had 6 perpetrators in my life. 5 of which were men. They were from different walks of life, different ages, different educational backgrounds. It is an epidemic. It is a national emergency and more needs to be done. The lasting effects of DV on any woman, man or child's life are that, for life. I had a defining moment a few months ago. I thought I can either let it control my life or I can be proactive and make a difference. That is when I joined White Ribbon in their campaign to stop domestic and family violence. There are very few subjects of such significance and importance to each and every one of us as this issue. I commend all the organisations and the Australian of the Year, Rosie Batty, in particular on the work that they have been doing. But let us not just make it a day or a week when we talk about these issues—let us make it a permanent conversation to stop this scourge in our communities.
Click here to watch Sharon’s question on notice BIRD (Cunningham): Thank you Mr Speaker my question is to the Minister for Vocational Education, will the Minister rule out increasing TAFE fees with the GST? HARTSUYKER (Cowper): I thank the good Member for her question and I must say Mr Speaker that I’m feeling the love, I’m feeling the love. Two years in the Employment portfolio and I got one question. I’ve already got my first question just within a couple of months, Mr Speaker, so I’m indeed feeling the love from the Members opposite. What I can say Mr Speaker is that we are committed to a tax system that is going to take this country forward. We are committed to a tax system that is going to provide a growing economy and it’s a growing economy that is going to provide opportunities for Australians to get into work. You can see the fruits of the government’s efforts with the fall in the unemployment rate Mr Speaker. I don’t hear them asking about what the good news about the fall in the unemployment rate, we only hear them trying to mount a scare campaign on taxes. Well we are about a tax system that is going to meet the needs of Australia in the 21st Century they’re about looking through the rear view mirror trying to mount the not so scary scare campaign, Mr Speaker. We want an education system that is going to meet our needs into the 21st century, we want a VET training… SPEAKER: The Minister will resume his seat, the Member for Cunningham on a Point Of Order, BIRD (Cunningham): Thank you Mr Speaker on relevance, if the Minister could go to the Education matters…. SPEAKER: The member will resume her seat. The Minister has the call… HARTSUYKER (Cowper) : Thank you Mr Speaker, certainly we on this side of the House understand the importance of education, we have policies in education that will drive this country forward we have policies in relation to taxation that will take this country forward. We are having a discussion with the Australian people, Mr Speaker, and we are aiming to come up with a tax system that will be to the benefit of all Australians. For those Australians on lower incomes a tax system that will support those Australians to provide them with the services that they need going forward and for those who are in business and for those who are striving to benefit themselves a tax system which will give them the incentive to increase their incomes and assist in the growth of the Australian economy. We on this side of the house are about driving Australia forward those on the other side of the house are about holding this economy back.
Click here to watch Sharon’s speech Ms BIRD (Cunningham) (10:38): Members may recall that I recently spoke of the internet issues being experienced by many of the constituents in the northern suburbs of the Illawarra. In particular, I reported to the House a community group called 2508+ Disconnected, which was organised by the McKenzie family of Stanwell Park and the Oliver family of Helensburgh and which runs a very active Facebook site. Before I start, I would like to acknowledge that since my last report the inclusion of postcode area 2508 in the three-year new NBN rollout plan has been announced. The inclusion of this area is warmly welcomed by the locals and me, particularly given the ongoing issues that they are having with substandard internet services—although I would point out that they will be getting the rollout that includes copper to the house. With significant rain experienced in our area recently, the Facebook site of this campaign team has been inundated with people experiencing extensive dropouts and problems with their service because of the well-known problems that occur when water meets copper. It is a bit bemusing as to why nbn co is going to replace poor quality copper with new copper, when they could just lay fibre in that process. Anyway, at least they are now on the program. I have assured representatives of the community that I will continue to monitor the progress of the project. However, given that the works will not commence for another two years, the residents have real concerns about addressing the serious problems they are experiencing with service provision in the meantime. They are often experiencing very poor services, with download speeds typically less than one megabit per second and upload speeds below 0.2 megabits per second, around 30 per cent of what is commonly referred to as acceptable internet speed. The services in the region are slow, they are subject to frequent dropouts and indeed they are completely unusable during periods of wet weather. In fact one member of the campaign recently reported on the Facebook site that Telstra had advised her service was in the bottom eight per cent of the country—that is, 92 per cent of services across Australia had better quality service than she was getting. This is constraining small business productivity in the area. It is making it difficult for students to get basic school and university assignments done. There are many home based business owners working in this area who find it impossible to manage and run their businesses. Indeed the local Coalcliff Surf Life Saving Club has no connection, which means that they find it very difficult to provide the community service. The campaign will continue. I will continue to support them in their calls on Telstra to lift their game, get on board with the issues that people are facing and find solutions, because in the time to the rollout to the NBN they need their service improved.